Policing the Police – Talbot’s death raises troubling questions

February 10, 2010
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Now that Robert Iacoviello has been convicted of second-degree murder in the shooting death of off-duty Revere police officer Daniel Talbot, he has begun his long journey into darkness.

His stay inside the Massachusetts penal system for the next two decades of his life will surely take its toll on him .

There are many in this society who believe that if you take a life, your life should be taken from you.

This thinking has no place in Massachusetts, where the death penalty does not exist.

Massachusetts chooses to kill the prisoners it holds inside its prisons slowly but surely or to allow other violent prisoners to prey on inmates the way animals slaughter one another in the jungle.

Iacoviello has gone into this nightmare of darkness.

He has been found guilty and he has been punished.

But what about the off-duty Revere police officers who were drunk and carrying their guns, whose actions on the ball field behind Revere High School where Talbot died surely had something to do with his tragic and untimely death?

What punishment should they face or is their no need to discipline them even though a life was lost on their watch?

Had they not been acting irresponsibly, had they not been drinking at 1:30 a.m. and carrying firearms and taunting gang bangers minding their own business, Dan Talbot might still be alive.

Had they chosen to act responsibly instead of getting drunken on the ball field at Revere High School, Dan Talbot might not have died senselessly.

In part, everyone with Talbot that day and then that night and into the early morning should all be held responsible for their actions. That they were all police officers makes holding them responsible for their actions even more important.

Have they suffered enough, as Revere Police Chief Terence Reardon has told us?

Or should they be made to pay the price for their outrageous behavior, which led to the death of their friend and colleague?

The Revere chief will tell you that these officers can not be removed.

The chief tells us Civil Service won’t allow such a finding and besides, its up to the appointing authority – the mayor – to order such Draconian punishments, not the chief.

In Revere, in the wake of a homicide of an officer where all the officers present were intoxicated and carrying guns, nothing can be done but to the point .

Nothing will be done because no one in leadership is willing to step forward to demand that something be done, that the existing culture be changed, that those who were there, who share in the horrible responsibility for the events that unfolded that night when Officer Talbot was murdered, should be held accountable for their actions.

As the chief said: “Why should they be punished? They’ve already suffered enough.”

  • Former Resident

    Typical Revere. It is unfortunate that this has unfolded this way. The officers that were present should be punished. Talbot paid with his life and 4 of the child gang members are in jail.

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    Policing the Police – Talbot’s death raises troubling questions
    Wednesday, February 10, 2010
    By Journal Staff

    Now that Robert Iacoviello has been convicted of second-degree murder in the shooting death of off-duty Revere police officer Daniel Talbot, he has begun his long journey into darkness.

    His stay inside the Massachusetts penal system for the next two decades of his life will surely take its toll on him .

    There are many in this society who believe that if you take a life, your life should be taken from you.

    This thinking has no place in Massachusetts, where the death penalty does not exist.

    Massachusetts chooses to kill the prisoners it holds inside its prisons slowly but surely or to allow other violent prisoners to prey on inmates the way animals slaughter one another in the jungle.

    Talk about sensationalism. What type of punishment would you prefer. If they are not inprisioned then perhaps they should be allowed to “mingle” among us as if nothing has happened?

    Iacoviello has gone into this nightmare of darkness.

    You guys ever write any sentences longer than 7-15 words?

    He has been found guilty and he has been punished.

    There you go again.

    But what about the off-duty Revere police officers who were drunk and carrying their guns, whose actions on the ball field behind Revere High School where Talbot died surely had something to do with his tragic and untimely death?

    Why? Did his fellow Officers shoot him off duty with their guns?

    What punishment should they face or is their no need to discipline them even though a life was lost on their watch?

    It wasn't on their watch as I understand it they were officially OFF DUTY!

    Had they not been acting irresponsibly, had they not been drinking at 1:30 a.m. and carrying firearms and taunting gang bangers minding their own business, Dan Talbot might still be alive.

    There is no question the OFF duty Officers were acting poorly, but it is my feeling history has shown a NEED to have Law Enforcement personnel, it has NOT shown a need too have gang bangers. What good do they provide society?

    Had they chosen to act responsibly instead of getting drunken on the ball field at Revere High School, Dan Talbot might not have died senselessly.

    many of us in society drink to excess and act foolishly, that however is no reason people should die. If that was the case there would be many killings after most College football games in the fall using your mindset.

    In part, everyone with Talbot that day and then that night and into the early morning should all be held responsible for their actions. That they were all police officers makes holding them responsible for their actions even more important.

    There is some truth to that.

    Have they suffered enough, as Revere Police Chief Terence Reardon has told us?

    Probably not.

    Or should they be made to pay the price for their outrageous behavior, which led to the death of their friend and colleague?

    You are beating a dead horse with your continues attack on these Police Officers and choosing to ignore the ultimate tragedy here.

    The Revere chief will tell you that these officers can not be removed.

    Their behavior while poor probably does not rise to the level of terminations is what he is implying I would imagine.

    The chief tells us Civil Service won’t allow such a finding and besides, its up to the appointing authority – the mayor – to order such Draconian punishments, not the chief.

    In Revere, in the wake of a homicide of an officer where all the officers present were intoxicated and carrying guns, nothing can be done but to the point .

    Nothing will be done because no one in leadership is willing to step forward to demand that something be done, that the existing culture be changed, that those who were there, who share in the horrible responsibility for the events that unfolded that night when Officer Talbot was murdered, should be held accountable for their actions.

    Talk about soap-box journalism. You are throwing the baby out with the bath water. I sense that you at the Revere paper do not like your local police department? I am not from Revere, I live in Iowa but clearly there is a divide between your paper and the revere police. While the Officers actions that evening would probably make me cross them off my Christmas Card list, again, their behavior does not rise to the level of your obvious bias against them. IF Revere Police are allowed to carry guns while they are off duty then they are legal. If it is legal to drink in public while off duty what then is your issue? If it's legal to act boorishly while drunk and off duty what's the problem with that except it's well, boorish and looks bad by setting bad.

    A man was killed, the accuser found guilty, and all in all, he gets 17 years? Here in Iowa a life term in prison means LIFE? That may be the biggest dissapointment in all of this. A man's life is worth 17 years. Chew on that for awhile and test out your GAG reflexes.

    As the chief said: “Why should they be punished? They’ve already suffered enough

  • http://www.reverejournal.com josh.resnek

    Love your comments. The local police department is without leadership or organization. It is without heart or soul and tries to find its place in a community that has no problems with municipal public corruption. If the chief feels his troops did the best they could and punishment is not an option after a drunken police officer dies in a firefight that never should have happened, frankly, what is there to say?

    The Editor

  • Rejar

    I find the behavior of the Police Officer's quite disturbing. They think that they are above the law and who said that state or city employees cannot be fired? As far as the chief saying, “why should they be punished,” is he serious or just a moron? Hello? They broke the law. If I did that, would I be punished? I bet the answer would be yes. I wonder if anyone has given much thought to the fact that the officer's swore to uphold this law. Maybe, just maybe Iacoviello would not have killed officer Talbot. The mayor of Revere needs to do a clean sweep of the city and if he doesn't have the “heart” to fire police officer's, then maybe he shouldn't be mayor. How does one trust a police officer when they can break the law and get away with it? Also, by keeping the said police officer's working and not punishing them like you would a regular criminal, isn't it setting a presidence for the court when cases come up? This case can be cited and the bad guy (like the officers — go free). You know that saying “bite me” well this might just come back to do just that if Revere doesn't clean up their mess.

  • KingCaster

    Who is the sap who comes with the rant against this editorial, i.e. “beating a dead horse?”

    Look fella, the horse isn't dead, but Daniel Talbot is.

    And Daniel Talbot's death follows a legacy of inappropriate police conduct in Revere that goes back to the 80's and continued into the 90's with Revere police being involved in car accidents and hurting other people without consequence.

    Heck, when Evan Franklin and his buddy Todd Randall ran from that two-car accident as cadets (probably drinking heavily or drunk) they never should have been returned to the force, you got that?

    http://christopher-king.blogspot.com/2010/01/da

    Let me say it again in a nice short sentence for you:

    They never should have been returned to duty.

    But alas, they were, and out went Officer …. errr. …. Sergeant Franklin, buying rounds that fateful evening and acting as joint tortfeasor with all of the others, engaging in conduct that they know darn well GETS PEOPLE KILLED.

    And let's not even get to that phony .40 cal spent casing that purportedly landed on that Gatorade bottle but didn't damage it from the heat:

    http://christopher-king.blogspot.com/2010/02/ki

    No, the horse is alive and well, dude.

    But Dan Talbot is dead.

    -The KingCaster.

  • http://www.reverejournal.com/ Josh Resnek

    Love your comments. The local police department is without leadership or organization. It is without heart or soul and tries to find its place in a community that has no problems with municipal public corruption. If the chief feels his troops did the best they could and punishment is not an option after a drunken police officer dies in a firefight that never should have happened, frankly, what is there to say?

    The Editor

  • Jesse

    it's sad to know that those cops will still be on the beat and jeopardize other good police offices… I guess it is the result of poor leadership.. Usually when something like this happens, good leadership cleans house

  • KingCaster

    Who is the sap who comes with the rant against this editorial, i.e. “beating a dead horse?”

    Look fella, the horse isn't dead, but Daniel Talbot is.

    And Daniel Talbot's death follows a legacy of inappropriate police conduct in Revere that goes back to the 80's and continued into the 90's with Revere police being involved in car accidents and hurting other people without consequence.

    Heck, when Evan Franklin and his buddy Todd Randall ran from that two-car accident as cadets (probably drinking heavily or drunk) they never should have been returned to the force, you got that?

    http://christopher-king.blogspot.com/2010/01/da

    Let me say it again in a nice short sentence for you:

    They never should have been returned to duty.

    But alas, they were, and out went Officer …. errr. …. Sergeant Franklin, buying rounds that fateful evening and acting as joint tortfeasor with all of the others, engaging in conduct that they know darn well GETS PEOPLE KILLED.

    And let's not even get to that phony .40 cal spent casing that purportedly landed on that Gatorade bottle but didn't damage it from the heat:

    http://christopher-king.blogspot.com/2010/02/ki

    No, the horse is alive and well, dude.

    But Dan Talbot is dead.

    -The KingCaster.

  • http://www.reverejournal.com/ Josh Resnek

    Love your comments. The local police department is without leadership or organization. It is without heart or soul and tries to find its place in a community that has no problems with municipal public corruption. If the chief feels his troops did the best they could and punishment is not an option after a drunken police officer dies in a firefight that never should have happened, frankly, what is there to say?

    The Editor

  • AJuror

    I was a juror in this trial. We all found the police behavior reprehensible from the moment they left the shooting range right through the trial. Every mistake possible was made via poor judgment. Several actions that could have ended the incident were never attempted … How about ” We're cops , get moving” Or why even bait the kid at all as he was minding his own business. Dan Talbot used gang hand signs and taunted with yelling ” blood killer” … Then there is the tampering with evidence by removing the 2 guns from the murder scene. The Fleeing of Franklin and being picked up 3 blocks away from the HS by a cop who was responding to the very call.. who drove Franklin several blocks to get away from the school .. it just goes on and on… and the final punishment for the 3 cops were one firing and the others had to work 5 days without pay ….. This all was a big black eye for the Revere police indeed

  • KingCaster

    All of that is true, but to me the issue of the spent casing on the Gatorade bottle is even more disturbing:

    http://christopher-king.blogspot.com/2010/02/ki

    …….along with the fact that the first sweep didn't produce any 9mm casings that were subsequently found right out in the open, plus the failure to search, or even request to search Evan Franklin's residence (after he leaves two women and puts his tail between his legs and runs away like a puppy that peed itself) plus the proffered testimony of Michael Racca, who to this observer most definitely DID NOT appear to be a shady dirtbag like the State's witnesses. He's a kid trying to live his life right and that comes through in his delivery.

    http://christopher-king.blogspot.com/2010/02/da

    There is a HUGE problem with New England LE picking up spent shell casings and doing whatever the hell they want to with them even though protocol specifically tells them not to. Here's NH's AG protocol:

    Officer Deadly Force Policy IV B(f):

    “Ensure that guns are not opened, loaded, unloaded, shell casings removed, or in any other way tampered with….”

    But then let's see what really happens, shall we?

    http://christopher-king.blogspot.com/2010/02/ki

    It was a lucky day for Edmond Zabin.

  • HI

    havent u noticed that maybe the whole police force is white..when was the last time you saw a colored officer in revere?..maybe if u had officers of color here in revere that can actually relate to some youths in revere maybe it will help..having the officers now who abuse or harass just off suspicion isnt goin to help either

  • kevin sullivan & Friends

    those fucking pieces of shit are worse then the bank robbing medford cops they frame deal cocaine half are drunks & drug addicts now just because they had to show off “tough guys?” in front of theyre criminal hookers they rob a drug dealer?why after that happened not 1 cop got even a slap on the wrist,then the kid protects himself street law your either a cop or criminal the days of robbing banks are over,then ruined 3 teenagers lives & not 1 slap on the wrist..why do you think martha”babykillermoakly” got railed out of town were mad & sick of police corruption & pollitical corruption ..murdering pricks fact fact fact fact

  • BRACH

    THEN WHY DID YOU COWARDS FIND THE BOY GUILTY INSTEAD OF SELF DEFENSE OR EVEN MANSLAUGHTER 1ST DEGREE & NOT EVEN GIVE OUT A RECOMENDATION THAT WHOLE JURY WAS AN INSULT SO DONT JUMP ON A BAND WAGON BECAUSE YOU FEEL GUILTY NOW OR WANTED TO MAKE POINTS WITH THE COPS TO LATE FOR THE 3 TEENS IS IT NOT “SHAME ON ALL OF YOU”

  • KingCaster

    Watch this new KingCast video about the Franconia shooting tragedy vis a vis the current novel and forthcoming docu-drama on “Bad Blood: Freedom and Death in the White Mountains.”

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xnkv9_yPclM

    It will blow your ever-loving mind, just as mine was blown by the BS at that Revere Trial when I rolled video on that puppy. Watch this:

    http://christopher-king.blogspot.com/2010/02/ki

    -The KingCaster.

  • rocco 70

    it sounds to me like your saying the officer that was killed, deserved to die !!! what happened to settling an arguement with fists ?
    iacoviello, should be put to death, he comes under the take a life give a life a , i don't know the whole story, i'm basing my comments on what i read today, i do know that the comments made by kevin sullivan and friends, are what breeds the killing of po's police officers are human they have all the frailitys' of any other human, there not perfect, perfection dosn't exist, when did keven sullivan get out of jail ?, he's a perfect example of what police have to deal with on a daily basis

  • mapat37

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  • mapat37

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  • mapat37

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  • mapat37

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  • mapat37

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  • mapat37

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  • mapat37

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  • mapat37

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  • mapat37

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  • mapat37

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  • mapat37

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  • mapat37

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  • mapat37

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